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Liberty Dignity Infinity


This title means the properties of God I realized directly, not by reading but by knowing, in April 1998.

I, beforehand, ask all readers NOT to imitate me in regard to the substance mentioned below. They only would give unnecessary risks to themselves. This is an absolutely exceptional case. "Drugs" do not enlighten people. But God sometimes "writes straight on crooked lines" and that is what He did to me.

I am a remote associate of "Haidakhan Babaji people" who pray to Shiva (the Great Lord without Form, probably identical to Jah (we) Zebaoth) and the Divine Mother Amba (the soul of Earth) since 1988. I did much mantra, poojah and so on for ten years, and did KarmaYoga night and day, but did not even come near to something as deep meditation. At last I thought meself to be a hopeless case. (See also my posts on where I posted many things which belong better here but I did not know the site yet.)

In January 1998 then I had a really strange dream: I saw myself smoking Ganjah.

I never smoked before. Neither tobacco nor that. It disgusted me. I never had even thought of that. And I had never studied the effects of Ganjah in books. Therefore there was no mundane reason for the dream. But I knew that Ganjah belongs to Lord Shiva, and that He is sometimes depicted consuming it.

So I thought the dream meant that I should test that substance.

Living in a country where it is illicit I first came to forget that. But some months later I happened to be invited to a congress in Amsterdam. There I decided to do the test.

I did not smoke but chew some of it. I wanted to avoid to become a smoker. (Which I now am, in spite of that. My health is damaged. Everything hath its price. Knowing Infinity definitely has a high price! That is why I said do not imitate me!)

First nothing special happened, except that I was reading, in my hotel room, my scientific book with such a focus as if even an earthquake would not have distracted me from it.

Then I got tired and a bit dizzy, and got to bed.

Then, all my senses became immensely sharp and all feelings intense in a way never imagined before. When I moved my head it was as if I were flying, floating, or falling. I had an intense idea of my body's structure in the way cars or machines are depicted in 3-D computer models. And then I looked into the blackness behind my closed eyes as I so often had done trying to meditate when I always, so to speak, had been left just before the door. This time it was different.

I saw that blackness and it was like a starless sky, pitch black but - somehow shining from within, and there was, for an instant, no more a difference between me and this black Infinity, between Bindu, the tiny drop, and Sindhu, the ocean of the formless Divinity. And I felt an immense love and wisdom in this Formlessness to be source of all things that have a name and a form.

Since that time I am no longer a person that just believes in the existence of God. I now know That. I am no longer a sheep that can be told everything and anything about God. I now have a base of my own.

This was worth every trouble during the years after. It even would have been worth jail or death.

About this I wrote, two years after when I had fully realized what had happened and that this moment had been no fake or result of self-suggestion, a song as follows:

"Thou art the Blackness behind my closed eyes

Liberty Dignity Infinity

Starless blackness behind my closed eyes

Liberty Ecstasy Infinity

Nada Nada Heading for Nada

Nada Nada Yearning for Nada

Nada Nada Embracing Nada.

Worth every price it is just once to see

Liberty Dignity Infinity

To surrender my being to Thee

Liberty Ecstasy Infinity


Once when this life of illusion shall end

Liberty Dignity Infinity

I'll gladly give up my soul to Your Hand

Liberty Ecstasy Infinity


I saw You in the Blackness behind my closed eyes

Liberty Dignity Infinity

O radiant blackness behind my closed eyes

Liberty Ecstasy Infinity


Thou art the Blackness behind my closed eyes."

I dream and wish that all who read this meet with the Great Mystery without "drugs" - and, if God allows, right tonite in your beds!

Just look into the blackness behind your closed eyes - and be very, very lucky.

But do not expect that it, if once happened, will ever come back. To me it did never return.

Thank God (dess), no matter!

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Timfaraos (131 posts)
5 years ago (2015-01-24)
My friend wrote a best selling book, translated in many languages, about how he went DEEP into many new age practices, including hinduism, and staying at ashrams in india, yoga, hypnotism, mind control, meditation e.t.c... He did this for years, trying to find the truth of our wonderful universe. GOD and the devil were fighting for his soul, body and mind... He became posessed, he nearly lost his mind! Do you want to know what the hell happened to him? I won't tell you... Read the book! It's called: 'THE GURUS, THE YOUNG MAN AND ELDER PAISIOS', by Dionysios Farasiotis. At And when you've read it, then tell me, who are the lucky ones: the sheep, or the new age enlightened ones!... Good luck! Timfaraos [at]
AnandaHya (guest)
9 years ago (2011-01-11)
hi NS

I don't think anything is "evil" just that people misuse a lot that the world offers to help.

Native American medicine men used drugs to connect with the spirit world. I see nothing wrong if the person has prepared their mind, spirit and body for the experience and knows what to expect. Like I stated eariler, OBE are meant to be educational, not recreational events. Educational field trips from the body versus bing drinking and massive orgies.

Peace, light and love
NaturalScience (3 stories) (110 posts)
9 years ago (2011-01-11)
There is lots of people warning you from ALL things that could ever change your consciousness from the normal daily kind to anything else! Even hatha yoga, meditation, Bach flower remedies, Homeopathic remedies, Chinese acupuncture have been accused to carry demonic forces within them.
Those all-too-cautious ones would do better to warn people of Technologies as nuclear energy use, Genome manipulation, airplane travel, pesticide use, multinational concern economy, Computer and WWW use, of the all-pervading sins of Irresponsibility, Squandering and Greed on which all those "progresses" are based, and of inhonest actions around money such as speculating at the Stock Exchange or betting on horses.

It would be better to let people pray to fetishes and dance naked before them as if they were Central African cannibals, than to first baptise them, and teach them right from wrong in Sunday School or Moshee or Synagogue and then force them into a System that makes all of us do the opposite of what we learned in Religion, esp. The irresponsible things named above, even if we dislike them. I do NOT like my PC, nor the WWW. I just use them for normal things - with a bad feeling in belly when I think how often they rather are used to do Fraud, or to wade deep into the most stinky sexual mud!
NaturalScience (3 stories) (110 posts)
9 years ago (2011-01-11)
There is exceptions to all rules, Ananda. In my case weed allowed me to leave the "sheep stage" behind. I well know, also from experiences of acquaintances which I'd never publish, the bad sides of such doping too. Thus I'd never counsel anyone to do what I did, except if circumstances are analogous to my case: years of unsuccessful efforts to meditate and then a dream of the kind I had.
AnandaHya (guest)
9 years ago (2011-01-10)
this concerns me. My grandfather always told me that taking drugs opens the gates of the spirit and lowers the shields of the body and thus allows spirits to enter and reek havoc on your body and mind as your soul wanders other realms.

Demons think they are GOD and will tell you they are. GOD can reach you without the drugs and will leave a squad of angels to protect your body when OBE. OBE are meant to be journey for knowledge which you can return from and share with the world. The person may appear comatose but they should be awaken within three days by the call/stating of their name. If they wander too long from they body without visiting then the tie will be broken. The soul will become a wandering ghost and a demon will take residence in the body until the good karma is depleted and then both will be casted into Hell.
*note translated from a lecture given to my by my grandfather, he really doesn't like drugs and demons and tells me to avoid OBE, but that could be just a me warning...
NaturalScience (3 stories) (110 posts)
9 years ago (2010-11-14)
I forgot to mention the title of the song.
I called it
"Black Light - a tribute to Bobby Mirren."

Bobby Mirren, however, is the name of a character in Eric Brown's "Engineman" book - a man who has been subject to a trial of extra-terrestrian enlightened spirits to bring him to the same level of awareness as they had. This experiment had been noxious. For ten years he lived as a badly disabled man but his knowledge of Infinity and Oneness made him keep love of life. At last the spirits intervened again and succeeded in making him a "Realizer" (their word for Buddha) in which state he, to the outward, seemed to be just comatose but in fact was in permanent OBE.
Read the rest in Eric Brown's book, which I met with two years after my experience - I was struck even by the image that was on the German version which I bought, it shows a human face and torso, arms spread wide, face blissful, and chest being flooded from behind, or from inside, by the brightest light. It showed exactly what I felt at that great moment in 1998 although I saw only Radiance within Blackness, no light.
Rashidah (guest)
9 years ago (2010-10-15)
😆 😆
I have not been on this site for awhile. I now saw this post 😊

God Bless
NaturalScience (3 stories) (110 posts)
9 years ago (2010-10-08)
I have to supplement a thing I had forgotten. Once I did smoke before. I was about twenty. A student had invited me to his friends. They circled a joint. For fun, and in order to be tolerant, I did a small toke, I coughed much and it tasted awful, and then I broke off in laughter about the absurdity of me voluntarily inhaling smoke. It was straight against natural tendencies. How dude could I be to be curious for smoking! I refused more. And I did not notice more than just remembering the whole scene as some absurd joke.
See, it was not the ganjah itself that did the trick in 1998!
Rashidah (guest)
9 years ago (2010-10-05)
Ganjah does tend to open up your senses. But when taken too much can damage brain cells.

But if a God visits you and tells you to try it, then all I can say is that is between you and Shiva. I guess he will know what is best for you.

~what may may good for you, may not be good for others and vice versa.

Thank you for sharing your experience ❤
I have learnt some more about Lord Shiva from you.

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