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Hi Gerry and NaturalScience,

This site has seemed "dormant" lately. Hopefully it will pick up again! I agree with NaturalScience, God bless everyone who participates on this site!

I hope that you do find an ego definition NaturalScience. Sorry that I was not able to be of help to you. But I am confident that your defintion will come along when least expected.

Kathleen
hope it was not me, trying to come to a valid "Ego definition" (which is still missing) by discussion on this page, who made it "inactive"...
God bless all people who read and write here.
Testing this page seeing if it's still in action
I repeat testing
judgefloro in The Light In The Lord
Dear Michael,
I thank thee for publishing my story of the mystic Lights.
God does not speak to us in a language we do not understand. He talks to us by way of His Lights. Amen. Judge Floro
Hello optimystic1111 =4 April
1:11 1st November 2012
444 = 12 = 3
555 = 15 = 6
If you minus 555 from 444 = 111 = 3
On the third of April there is something you must be cautious of.
On the first of November you are seeing a change which will be big or small depending on what you do with April.
Take care you are reached out and now do what your intuition tells you, and remember there are no such thing as coincidents. Gerry ❤
Thank you for all the comments and feedback-I greatly appreciate them all. I do filter what I talk about with others because I know it might sound out there to some. The other day, on Presidents day, I went hiking. As I was crossing the bridge I noticed that someone had stuck decals to one of the signs reading 1:11. As I was returning from my hike to go home I opened my phone to see what time it was, and what do you know, it was 1:11. Synchronicity I guess. 😊
Onawingandaprayer in Is It A Spiritual Awakening?
Hi Teana

Gerry has summed-it-up quite nicely and all you feel is normal, if you can call it that, for what is normal in this situation!?

I hear poeple talk about dreams of death and destruction, so I wonder if I am missing something, I have never heard or seen a demon, never been attacked by one and all I see and feel is the warmth of my visions of Yeshua (Jesus).

It is different for everyone so go with the flow and see where this adventure carries you.

In time you will feel like you are literally walking on the moon and filled with joy. As time goes on you develop a deeper understanding of who you are and why you are here. Keep looking within through meditation for that is your connection to the One.

I am still not a religious person, however I have become a deeply spiritual one. Some will argue how can that be, but it is true for me. Think of it as Religion is the communal ideology of whatever faith you belong to. Spirituality is your own personal experience of the Divine.

You are not alone in this new awakened era, so if you deem things like this to be an experience then they were, if you don't, then they aren't.

It is all your PERCEPTION of what happened, nobody else can say otherwise, perhaps give an opinion and express their personal experiences along the way. What resonates within you is what it is...

Take care

Dave
Hello I have read your story and noticed nobody has replied, I feel sad for you when you need answers.
Many people at the moment are being self aware, this is due to the changing factors worldly. We are now in a new transition and this is called the awakening.
Over the course of history we have gone through many, the last is commercial or the give me give me attitude.

The self awareness is about spiritual understanding, a few will change with it, and many will die for lack of spiritual understanding.
Many are lead astray thinking they are on the right track, they talk to dead people which is wrong by God.
The true followers of Christ will only here His voice and not of demons. What I am saying is scriptual.
If you need more on this check out my email.
Love Gerry
What you experienced is called bhanga or inner body sensing - it is the energy field of your body which is actually the representation of your consciousness.

Sensing this vibration can be spontaneous (as in the case of most people who commented here) and can be achieved voluntarily in a very easy way of firstly tuning in to the vibrations of certain organs.

The sensing of this inner body vibration is a tremendous portal to the beyond and to spiritual growth, don't waste it on "candies for the mind" such as astral projection, you can't imagine where this thing can take you spiritually.

You can find much more about this inner body vibration and how to sense it in http://www.gurusfeet.com/forum/inner-body-meditation. Thanks to that post, I sense it nowadays constantly, day and night and it brought about incredible spiritual experiences.
It is a Catholic legend which is very old. Catholics have a prayer ceremony, done mostly during the Fasting Time before Easter, in which the way of Christ from Court to Crucifixion and His dying on the Cross are remembered. This "Cross Path" ("Kreuzweg" in German) has fourteen "stations", and one of it is the scene of Veronica wiping off dirt of the face of Jesus carrying the Cross.
They call the cloth with which she does it a "sweat-cloth" - something like a handkerchief is imagined by ordinary European people.
But no one ever told or wrote that handkerchiefs were already in use in Antique Oriental regions!
Thus I when once meditating on Veronica's little help for the Saviour it came to my mind that, firstly, she must have resisted the guards for doing it, and secondly, where did she take the cloth from? It could not be a flap torn off of her clothing, this would have been too complicated. Too slow. Things must have been going on real fast then. A matter of seconds, as in Rescue Medicine.
Thus it must have been - her woman's headcloth, or veil! And at once the whole scene played off before my inner eye the way I described it, and I recognized her as an utterly courageous woman throwing off conventional prejudices for the sake of Charity. A Punk of God. This she was in that moment.
Naturalscience, I have never heard of St Veronica who did this action.
The only ones I have known was a man who carried the cross for a little distance for Christ, and a woman that wiped the face of Christ.
Can you direct me to a genuine article about her?

Thanks ❤
Hello NaturalScience,

I had never heard about this wonderful woman before! She did indeed show a selfless act of love and I am glad that you shared this with us. Let us all learn from this story and share in her courage!

Kathleen
To you Kathleen the story of true love is that about Maria Magdalena. I got a very similar favourite story which is about Christ and Saint Veronica (this is my first name in real life). It is not in the Bible but all Catholics know it. I imagine it to have happened as follows:
Veronica was some ordinary Jewish Mom in Jerusalem who probably was shopping for Passah when she saw the rows of guards at the edges of the street which always were there when a criminal was led out for execution and curious as she was - as all women are - she looked out who was the criminal today, and then with some shock she saw it was that same good Rabbi whom she had heard preach some days ago... Why was he led through the streets as a criminal? And how badly ws he treated! Gosh, he even had a crown of thorns upon head and dirt and blood run into his eyes so he could hardly find his way and walk, under that heavy cross he was carrying... She saw all this peering through between the guards and then - she perhaps said later she must have lost her reason for a moment and she did not know why she was still alive after this rash action... - then she PUSHED AWAY TWO GUARDS WITH HER ELBOWS and THREW HERSELF BEFORE THE RABBI AND TORE OFF HER HEADCLOTH to wipe off the blood and dirt so he could see again. See what she did? It was much the same as it would have been in Islamist Afghanistan. To tear off one's headcloth in the public, as an adult woman, was like stripping oneself naked... It was scandalous. Moreover, she had shown resistance to the Police!
But that Roman Military Police, as it seems, did not take her for serious enough to arrest or batter her, and so she suffered no harm.
And Our SAviour, whom she had tried to help a little by throwing off her cultural embarrassment schemes, so the story ends, made an image of His Holy Face remain in the headcloth she had stripped off; and this cloth, it is said, still exists to-day as a Holy Relic in an European Cathedral.
God give all of us St Veronica's Civilian Courage!
Hello David,

I was elated when I read your response to me! I went to sleep last night feeling a sense of calm and peace that I could not get over. My prayer is that everyone can love the way Mary did. Simply love one another, no need for words and no explanation required.

I have been asking truth from the holy spirit, and have many visions and love songs played for me. I don't know what is going on. A friend had told me to trust the truth of the holy spirit, yet I find myself unsure if this could be the truth, or if I have it all wrong?...

My most recent vision was that I was in a croud and suddenly Jesus appeared, and I knew who he was immediately. For some reason he swooped me up and hung me upside down. I remember feeling hurt and rejected as the others in the croud laughed, and wondering "Jesus how can you do this to me?" But as quickly as those feelings came to my being, they left me. Jesus took it all away, and I knew I would be OK. And then we were gone...

Kathleen
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
NatrualScience...and many others!

So what are you and the billions pining for the ACTUAL Kingdom on Earth doing about it to bring it forth?

Are you just sitting back and wallowing in pity over how bad things are, pouring your energy into perpetuating the problems, yearning for bliss and haven't given much thought about how to acheive it!

"What can one person do against the wretched people who run this planet?"

"My life sucks, who are you to say this to me?!?!?!?"

"I have no money, how can I change things?"

"My husband will beat me if I speak my mind"

"Easy for you to preach over cyberspace, you are not at the coal-face!"

"What makes you so special!"

You are all saying, millions of us are saying the same things every day.

No you can't prevent many things that happen in this world, yet, but how was it that in countries that not so long ago were ruled by ruthless dictators and now the people are seeing a glimmer of hope for the future.

They asked for change in THEIR own way...

It may not be happening quite to our WESTERN standards or liking, but then again who says the western way...

If you needed still more proof, look at what is still happening in Syria, everyday the innocent are butchered, much like the christians in the arena, or the Christian crusades of the Holyland which left a trail of death and destruction still enduring in the hearts and minds of muslims in the Middle East to this very day. Everyday people just wish to express there human freedoms, sounds like the Isrealites under Roman rule doesn't it.

Yet within every generation a small voice is heard that does change things. Some will argue life is no better now than it was 2000 years ago, I beg to differ, for if you cannot see it then you really do have your eyes closed.

The souls of many are on pathways we cannot envisage or even comprehend why. Why does a newborn baby suffer so much only to die within days of the miracle of life we call birth.

A friend of mine said to me; "don't try to apply human logic or understanding to the journey of the soul, it is way beyond us"

He was correct in many ways and thinking about that makes it easier, not pleasant at times, but easier to understand and cope with things that go on daily in this region of the world I currently live in.

All we are asked to do is simple, to have the joy of the Kingdom here on earth WE AS HUMANS MUST CHANGE OOUURR WAY OF THINKING ABOUT EACH OTHER.

The Arab/Israeli conflict can be solved, but it will take ONE very brave person to stand up and shout from the top of his or lungs ENOUGH!

All it takes is to change the life of ONE person, the snowball effect will takeover from there, that is all we need to do. If during the course of your life you manage to bring about the change to peace, love, respect, dignity, love of your fellow man, love of yourself, love of life, seeing the godness within another and having them see it and believe it as well.

If you can acheive this within yourself first, putting aside the humanly fears of insufficiency, social positioning, hatred, jealousy, vengence, exploitation, corruption, plotting, looking-down-upon another you deem less worthy. If you can look to the DAY, not at what happened yesterday or 2000 years ago, but today, tomorrow will sort itself out.

My brother-in-law had a serious accidnet many years ago and he has a very simple view of life now. They have very little money and yet he places his faith and trust in whomever he believes will provide. They always manage to pay their bills, put food on the table and take the occasional holiday.

He says he doesn't know where the money comes from, but when he needs it, it is there, he can't explain it, he just says it must be a form of heaven here on earth.

He is very much correct, he has changed his life by changing his view of life and his fellow man. Yes he still talks about the global situation but now with the eye of the "observer" and not the participant (for we are all particpants in one situation or another).

Billions on this planet are the participants and I believe in time that will all change, but it starts with just ONE person.

The snowball effect took root last November after what some beleived was the end of the mayan calender. It is beginning, will our generation see the results, maybe, maybe not, but that is okay the long journey has begun.

If you go to your death-bed knowing that at the end of the day you not only changed your own mind about life, but were able to help another, or cause another to stop and think about his or her own life, then you have had a succesful life.

A friend went to his bed very happy and content in the knowledge that despite all he endured in life, he was able to see another look at her life from a different perspective and see her move forward. She still struggles with some of lifes day to day issues, as we all do and will continue to do so, for that is life. I see her writing now and I know she has moved many steps closer to her own personal vision of the Kingdom within her.

If you measure your success by the number of buildings you own, well I guess that is okay for you. I prefer to see success in the form of the souls we can help move forward. For in this process, over time, human attitudes will change considerably and the CONCEPTS of the Kingdom of God will be firmly rooted within each of us, as well as on this physical plane and nothing will change that.

Have a great day, live large and enjoy everyday of this gift we call life, love, God

D.
Why a Kingdom of God on Earth? Because it is urgently needed. Hear the cry of kids unhappy, hungry, beaten. See the abused and exploited women all over world. BEhold the forests chopped off, the seas overfished, the overkill weaponry, and Fukushima exhaling death.
"If I did not speak, the stones would cry out" said Our Master Jesus. How could He be bound to leave this Earth in its miserable scrapyard state and build His kingdom only elsewhere? Remember we do not have the total of His teachings anymore, there has been much rewriting, deleting and faking during Church History. Of course it was comfortable for the Churches to make people think the Kingdom to be a mere Beyond affair. But all Christians who really made things better down here also believed in a future Kingdom down here - secretly at least!
Hello my egotistical friends. Here is my view to, "what is ego".
Without ego we do not move forward but become stagnated.
So ego is good in this sense, but bad in the sense we feel we are better than them.
Ego gives us the need to compete and improve, this is good for progress.
But when the ego is bigger than us and it rules, we become blinded and have less feelings for others.
This is the simplicity of it.
Well, I don't really know how to explain the whole electricity thing, but I saw on a TV show once that when a girl with strong psychic abilities and ties to spirits walked by a nightlight the light grew brighter in response to her presence, so maybe it's something like that- just a strong spiritual connection where electricity will react to you and your presence.
I really don't know about the number thing either, but...
Well, let's say that when I experianced a flash of light like you did it turned out to be a very good thing, and I felt like I was touched by God. I felt very special, and you should too. Remember that no matter how small or insignificant we may at first appear in the grand scheme of things we all have our own role to play in life, something that God has planned especially for us. This bit of knowledge has carried me, and I hope someone else finds it useful too... 😊
Anyway, I think the light just shows when we're really spiritually intuned, or something like that; although, from what I've gleaned it only seems to happen when it's least expected...
goldstar in My Spirit Animal
timciurdas:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this subject. I have a black wolf that has guided me to the path of God where none of my other friends could and quite frankly helps me get through life in general. So I agree with Onawingandaprayer's belief and that God and the Holy Trinity works in mysterious ways that we don't always comprehend or can predict, but that doesn't make it any less real.
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
NaturalScience

Okay we agree to disagree, I see your path and am truly happy for you, may that journey be a fruitful one.

Just one question though, why do people continually seek the Kingdom here on earth. Even Jesus rebuked his disciples for thinking it was or ever will be an earthbound Kingdom, I guess this a question for the viewship-at-large whom visit these pages.

Have a great day

David
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
Hi Kathleen

Whenever I read the passage, listen to it being discussed and now in your telling, I always feel like I was there as a witness to the event as well.

Yes it took Great courage of Mary " who is this women?"

That same type of unconditional love of the Master was not seen again until Catherine of Sienna. I think it will be seen again, perhaps within our lifetime. If not then upon entry into the Father's Kingdom after leaving this physical existence.

Continue your amazing journey...

D.
Hello NaturalScience and friends

When I think about Ego, it brings me back to a familiar story in the bible. It is the story of Mary of Bethany anointing Jesus. A long time ago there was a man that she truly loved and she needed to show him how deeply she cared. This love may not have been looked upon as right in the eyes of her peers, but she herself demonstrated an act in which she was forced to let go of her ego. Mary went with the feelings that were contained in her heart instead of what her ego was telling her was "right" or "wrong". Her ego may have been telling her "Who do you think you are! You're not important enough, or smart enough, or pretty enough to anoint HIM! He's Jesus, you're only Mary! Not to mention the fact that you are a WOMAN!" But, regardless Mary simply put those thoughts aside and conquered them and acted out of unconditional love. Just imagine what she must have been feeling. She knew what the crowd would think of her - the negativity, the comments, the embarassment and humiliation, however within her she mustered the courage to prove her love for Jesus and to overcome her own "demeaning" thoughts about herself. She knew what was right in her heart and acted upon it regardless of the outcome. The love that she had for Jesus may have been viewed as "wrong" in the eyes of man, but she saw through it and only acted in the present moment regardless of the possible outcomes. And much to her delight her actions were praised by Jesus and their love and understanding of one another prevailed. They saw the bigger picture. Love has NO boundaries, it simply is and extends on and on. For me, if something feels right in YOUR heart and love has no boundaries, then who or what can say that it is right or wrong? The ego constantly tries to stop us from being who we are by imposing walls and boundaries.
Kathleen
Be astounded which Random Quote showed up (I mean, at the right side of this web page) immediately after my posting the former!
It was this Holy Word of Jesus:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
See how "coincidence" supported my last post?

And this little game even went on! The next quote that emerged at the same place was of Mahatma Gandhi whom I deeply revere and it read:
"A religion that does not care for practical things in daily life is no religion."

So let us go of Ego definitions, which seemingly are theoretical, or at least deal with states of mind which are not within our personal reach - they can be bestowed to us but not induced with any degree of certainty - and better meditate on the Commandments.
Some ego definition from a Buddhist that showed up one minute ago as a Random Spiritual Quote is this:
"Ego could be defined as whatever covers up basic goodness. From an experiential point of view, what is ego covering up? It's covering up our experience of just being here, just fully being where we are, so that we can relate with the immediacy of our experience. Egolessness is a state of mind that has complete confidence in the sacredness of the world. It is unconditional well being, unconditional joy that includes all the different qualities of our experience."
Well, it is very desirable to have the state of mind described by the Buddhist teacher. But is it possible to keep within it over more than some minutes? Can anyone remain in "unconditional joy" who has just made a coffee for her guy, with love, and hears from him as the only reaction "you made it too strong, don't you know I got that stomach ache?" If someone can do so he or she is no longer a normal human but a Buddha - which is a kind of miracle.

Thus, can the State of Mind really be the central question in Spirituality? From my view, no. The central point is how to behave, how to do, in daily life, no matter if you feel sad or joyful, no matter if you are a knowing or an ignorant person. It is by the Law of Karma that we get into confusion about the truth, and it is by the Law of Karma that we gain a glimpse of the truth and that our knowledge grows. The miracle of egolessness was given to me for short periods of time. Afterwards I became an ordinary person again. This is only natural.
Gifts from the Spirit come and go. But Laws and Commandments remain.
Onawingandaprayer, there is nothing to grapple with for me (or "my ego" whatever this part of my person may exactly be) in your answer about what God Is.
I know that HE/She/It is more real than me, for I am mortal which God is not. And I know God is Real - not some brain game made up by humans.
Formerly I had to believe that God exists... This blind believing phase was just a forerunner, thank God. If I still were in this stage I'd have no say ("When I was a kid, I thought the way kids do" says St Paul), and thus would not dare to write one single word on a spiritual WWW site.
It is not for my own path that I started the subject of Ego definition - my former comments in this thread clear up why.
Kiani surely understands that the Ego definition matter really has something to do with her report.
You too I think. It was no digression.
But now it is over for the moment and for this thread.

One guest here wrote "When I feel the truth I nearly think myself to be a fool for not feeling it always."
Welcome to the Club, sister! This is why we pray "Father Thy Kingdom come - Thy will be Done as in Heaven so on Earth."
Only when the Kingdom promised has come we will be free from that foolishness which is the everyday reality of almost all of us, even of Saints. Then the truth will be part of our normal feelings, without effort.
How often I wept bitter tears about this state myself I have forgotten. I can well imagine how ardently also my grand-aunt, that heroic little Franciscan nun, desired to feel the truth always. I once found her diary. It was full of quotations taken from Catholic Mystics who had fully realized God.
She did not feel the truth always, and I do not, and even James - I suppose - did not; for the Kingdom still has not realised itself on Earth. This is a fact but NOT our fault!
But she did all she could do to make it come nearer - within that blockhead frame to which we still are confined. And she taught me to do the same. If we fail to do the good that is within our hand's grasp it IS our fault.
Dear friends and Foundations, if you are refering to what I believe God to be, man or woman. I have found that because people don't know what He looks like, they try and envisage him with some form or other. These are to what you may have heard. He is light, He is in everything and atom, He is in us all. Some give him an appearance with white hair. Here is the truth to who God is. Most say that we are connected, yet don't really believe it. Here is the mystery of God, (hopefully my story will be published here soon) Imagine the water in the oceans, every drop is seperate but together they make one. We are the same, we are individual but are one. We are connected with thought. These thought waves are universal and in every square inch, but they go in one direction, to the centre, and that centre is God. God has no form but is thought, we are thought. With out thought we are non existant. Thought comes first, then action follows. Love, Gerry ❤
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
Hello naturalScience

Well Kiani must be wondering what happened to the thread about the experience this all started with!

I can see you are on this pathway to discovering the what and why of the Ego, okay I see this is eating you up inside. If this is the case then seek your path and find your answer.

I can't give you one because the route of the ego plays only a minor part within me now and frankly it is of no consequence or issue to me now. I see life from a very different view point than I did even 6 months ago. Every now and then the ego will try to raise its' opinion, when I realize it I quickly move beyond it with other thoughts, hence no issue any more.

My friend discover your pathway to the definition of what you seek, then you may find in the end what many have already discovered.

Here is something for your ego to grapple with, I last asked you to define God.

Here is a basic answer:

God said "I am that I am"

Or simply put "God Is"

That statement is much more than a 2 word answer, a deeper understanding of this shows a much greater awareness of life, love and of course God. In the end this is all that matters...

Dave
Dear friends, the definition I seek is really needed. It is not enough to find a definition for one's own - because most of us are not far advanced enough, well oriented enough to do so. Those who need a navigator in distinguishing right from wrong, as one uses in driving, could profit very much of an Ego definition usable for everybody. Even more because the word "Ego" is much used in so-called spiritual subculture TO DEMEAN oneself or others. A definition which prevents this would save many good-hearted persons of suffering and confusion.
But OK let us delay this question for the moment. Not because those are right who think "why strain my own brains for theological definitions, God will provide for that"... Such a train of thought does not show Trust in Providence but Yielding to Indolence;-)
And not because I believe to any extent in "spiritual authorities" to provide us with it -
Only for the fact that by now no answer came which could give some approach to the global definition sought. It all remained on the all-too-local level of personal feelings -
With the exception of Foundations who, being open for global responsibility, provided us at least a personal definition which leads to new ways on a more global level.
For if the future Ego definition would contain the clear condemnation of "submission and self-denial" which she gave in her personal statement,
It would take off some part of the ground on which the word "Ego" has been abused almost world-wide for demeaning one's own spontaneous impulses and desires, and for controlling / suppressing / misusing others.

We now have at least made up a platform to start.

Perhaps others who read this later will provide more mental "bricks" for this new building. Or, even better, someone who has been working earnestly but in isolation about the same subject, perhaps as a theological author, could read our discussion "by chance" and find some precious missing link in it.

God bless our Reason! Reason, logical Thought, is in no way inferior to other qualities of our minds. It has only been misused too much in the past. This is why some, quite wrongly, identify Reason with Ego...
Call me Kamini. This is the name which Sri Muni Raji, Chief of Haidakhan Babaji Devotees, gave me in 1992.
Actuallysomebody,
Both of the things you write of are fascinating. I can relate to each, in my own fashion; also not of typical experiences/acceptance/understanding. Your encounter with the universe does not shock or surprise me. My thoughts are that we are closest to God, when surrounded by those things in nature, because they are 'pure' and contain the Love of our Creator. I too have been impulsive with my questioning, as many others have unquestionably been. In terms of your hearing thoughts from an outside source; I've had that also. Your experiences sound as though they are much more extensive than mine. I do have my own understanding/belief about what my events are about; of course I may or may not be correct! Anyway, if I can 'share' my most recent one - this happened while I was driving. It was early morning and I was making my long drive to work along rural country roads, and I was praying as I drove. I heard this in my head, "Even unknowingly, you have our blessing". I pulled over in the approaching Village and wrote it down in the record part of my checkbook - for lack of a note pad. I felt that it was very special and I was afraid I would forget the exact wording (obviously it was not sourced from my common vocabulary!). Thank you for your story, I enjoyed it (and appreciated the fact that I could connect with it).
Wishing for you: Friendship, Love, and Health - Treetoucher
Lassieprovedincarnation,
You already have the answer to your question. You Feel it is true and you Know that it feels right. You have the key now, to open that door and start your own personal Spiritual journey. My personal journey started when I was six years old. I Knew, that something I was being taught (religiously), was not true - I could Feel it was incorrect. I do not practice a set religion, even though I was raised in one. I am very Spiritual though; have a strong faith in God, and Feel the love of God through all living things. I have had experiences with several species of birds, which were not chance encounters. One amazing event was actually a 'sign' that answered a question I was contemplating/talking to The Holy Spirit about, while sitting in a meadow. Spending time in/with nature is a 'religious' experience for me. I am filled with the pure essence of God - which is love - when I am with the air that touches my face, the grass between my toes, the birds telling their stories, the smell of the earth, and the hum of the tree to my touch. I have been blessed to have seen an eagle twice, but I did not have an encounter with one - that is a wonderful experience for you. I would personally go with what you Felt from the eagle, contemplate the meaning/message, and see where it leads you.
Wishing you Friendship, Love, and Health, Treetoucher
lynnaz in Happy Birthday
That made me tear up too. I know you wrote it in 2010 but I'm still happy for you in 2012. I think we always get what we need but are really bad at deciphering needs from wants. Mistaking one for the other hurts and causes us to doubt our worth. And having lost my cat after 18 years, my heart really goes out to you during that time in your life. Didn't think I'd live through it and was positive I didn't want to. The kitten I got 6 days later -after swearing off pets forever- is glad I had a a change of heart though. Life does go on and there's no shortage of living things that need to be loved. Hope all is well with you. Take care.
It's not blinding but I sometimes see a white light shining down at a slight angle from behind me. It's like I'm in front of the headlights of a car but I'm in my home with my back turned away from the nearest street actually and now that I think about it there are closed heavy curtains are on all of my windows anyway. The last few times I noticed the intensity varies a bit- dimmer or brighter but I can't figure out why. Thought it only happened while I was at the computer listening to music. Last week however; it happened while I was lying on the couch reading the Bible of all things- something I don't do reguarly. I hesitate to even mention this for fear it'll make me seem like I'm realy out there- but my boyfriend and I were making love last year and it happened with an intensity I'd not experienced before. I didn't say anything at the time thinking I was the only one seeing it but not long afterwards- he asked me what I thought that light was. That really freaked me out. Neither of us have a clue what it may have been and it hasn't happened since even though our relationship has grown stronger. Other than that time, I've always been by myself and it's always happened at night. The streetlights turning off is an oddity I've only known one person mention happens to them. While driving with a friend in high school (1987-ish) a streetlight went off and he said "94." I asked what he meant and he told me he'd counted the streetlights that turned off as he passed them. Said he'd been doing it for a while. Don't know him anymore though.
Hello NaturalScience and David,

I re-read my ego "defintition" and it is indeed what I have struggled with internally. So, this is what MY ego has been doing to me to prevent ME from being WHO I AM. In essence, to provide a definition for someone else becomes senseless really. So NaturalScience you are absolutely right. It's usability may not be good for you, but for me it makes perfect sense. I needed to hear for myself what it has been doing to hinder me. Am I making sense LOL!? As for the word "demean", well that is exactly what I have been doing to myself since childhood. It means to put one's self down.

And NaturalScience, this is a copy from one of your posts: "Thus your path is true and valid. It is even more so as you seemingly don't belong to any sect or church that gives you a fixed dogma and a fixed language for spiritual matters. You belong to those who prove by mere existence that there is a Beyond and a Soul. Don't worry about the "Ego matter"!"

YOU are the beautiful person that you described above!

Kathleen
Hello Gerry,

I find this comment fascinating actually- something to ponder. For me God is in everything/everyone nothing excluded. I agree that it does not matter who or what you think you are, that God is indeed within all.

I would love for you to elaborate more on this wonderful insight that you have been given!

With love,
Kathleen
anneke8 - That's true. I've no answer to what happened, I like to believe that God was winking at my sister & me:)

Regards
Manoj
Kathleen - wow, that's an inspiring line from the bible. Mass prayers always have a powerful effect.

Regards
Manoj
NaturalScience - you can call me Manoj. Let me know your name too:)
NaturalSceince - nice to see you again:) I'm not so active here on this site, sorry. Ya, this happened when I was just 7 or 8, my sister & I were just aping the cartoon characters. Whether it'll work for us as adults, I don't know but our impediment now seems to be our rational mind.
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
Kathleen and NaturalScience

Good morning from the sand-pit, what resonates within both of you is the definition you are both seeking. I have been following this thread with a smile as it can get quite interestinng if it continues!

The religion of the future will not require absolutes, only man requires absolutes, worrying about whether one guru or another is right just doesn"t matter, what resonates within you is all that matters.

Afterall only humans are trying to prove the existance of God.

In heaven is a man whom fought with his ego/inner demons/ what-ever and yet the world knew him as nothing but a man of peace and love. He portrayed that every day of his awakened life.

Definitions were of no consequence to him, it just was not worthy of giving it/them the time of day.

Faith is very much an individual matter and if one wants to cloud it or define it with clear determinations of "legal definitions" then go ahead. Personally I prefer to see what is within each of us and react to that than whether my Ego is appeased or not.

As for the faith and religion of the future, well I think that is being sorted out already and we are seeing the results slowly developing around the world now.

One last question, since it has morphed into a thread about definitions:

NaturalScience could you please DEFINE IN DETAIL EXACTLY WHO, WHAT, WHERE, HOW IS GOD?

"Keep The Blue-side Up"

Dave M.
lassieprovedincarnation in Foggy Morning At Sand Rock
Thanks for the comment and interesting fact. Much appreciated.
Dear NaturalScience, many try to put a figure to God and many want to put a sex to HIM. Here is a mystery that many women do not like to hear.
Man, meaning male was made in their image, (heavenly) woman (female) was made in the image of man, hence (WO or FE) in male. God has no gender, but woman comes from man and not man from woman. God also argued that their is no queen of heaven, meaning female, hence, then he is masculine.
The idea of God being only man distraughts many woman, it shouldn't, when we stop fighting and appreciate one another all will go better for us. 😉
after reading all the ways god introduced himself to so many of us who don't know him. It makes me want to get to know him all the more.
Wow!Im in aw right now with what I read. Your experienced moved me. I Cried but they were happy tears cause gods love is so amazing. He wanted you to know that he is real and that he loves you. God bless you.
Hi NaturalScience,

I am not sure what this song has to do with our conversation about the ego, however it was placed very strongly in my thoughts this morning. It is called "Linda Ronstadt ft. Aaron Neville - I Don't Know Much". I listened to it on YouTube after it was placed in my thoughts and as I listened it felt like my heart was going to beat out of my chest! It had deep meaning for me. Maybe all there is, is pure unconditional love...

Foundations
Hello Anneke8,

I have been trying to address this issue with my friend every since. He usually changes the subject. I will continue to work at getting him to talk about his account of what happened from his view. I'm not so sure what he claims now but he has been avoiding me, brushing me off "nicely". I hope I can answer your questions someday, sooner than later.

In love,
VeryAwake
Hello Foundations,

Thank you much for your kind words.

In love
VeryAwake
Hello Mano,
Do you remember me?
I in turn will remember your childhood method of sending good vibes from the TUMMY instead of from the heart region. It feels as if the former is easier to imagine, and thus to USE for fulfilling wishes, than the latter. I'm going to try.
Believing that God is real always remains an insecure thing. A forerunner. What we are meant to achieve is a glimpse of KNOWING that God is real. Perhaps even to know that that He/She/It is MORE REAL THAN ME... The true Faith usually follows such a glimpse. It is a rare and difficult thing to believe in God while living in a state of absolute spiritual blindness.

The fact that lots of humans do believe without a vision of their own is due to our human ability to make another one's vision our own by imagination, by feeling what the prophet we study may have felt, and see what he may have seen, thus building up some true Faith while we still are without a visionary base of Faith in our own lives.

While we are kids we take our image of daily life from parental teachings, stories and movies. Later on we (may) build it more and more upon own experience. The same it is with our relationship to God.

I thank the Lord for making you a grown-up believer.
Foundations in I Was Born Yesterday
Hello VeryAwake!

This is so beautiful. Your words penetrate deep to my soul and I thank you for publishing this experience.

With love,
Kathleen
Hi Manojharisree,

I love this experience! It reminds me of the bible passage from Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them."

Kathleen
Dear Kathleen, I feel elated at your taking my results of rational thinking for something serious.

For there is also a third wrong definition of Ego:

Some say that only if one can go without thoughts, without using one's reason, one is without Ego.

WOW, it would be Paradise on Earth if we did not have to use Reason but only Instinct, and if we could switch Thought off whenever we want it!

But the daily experiences that
- not all things can be solved or decided from pure belly-feeling (I did exercise in this and it does function in many respects but not always!)
And
That we all think all day long and only very seldom, as a mercy of Nature, have seconds of no-thought (even the most trained Zen people don't have much more no-thought time to boast of;-)) )
Give proof that this too is not the true definition.

See, if you exercise in hearing the inner voice and write this down it will yield a good answer for YOUR individual life. This is good and righteous.

But my aim is bigger.

I want a definition of Ego to be found
Which is usable for what Catholics call "Check of Conscience" by every normal person in every daily situation,
A definition that covers all aspects of life
And which is so useful that it will never and in no aspect of life lead to irrationality, absurdity, or madness.

This definition to my account is still missing - no matter in which book or in which Guru speech you seek it... WORLD WIDE. It is all just partial aspects, or - more often - misunderstandings leading to mad and wrong actions, what you will find.

But such a "world formula about what is Ego and what is Real Self" will be an absolute necessity for the Religion of the Future to come.
This is why I question the WWW world about it here.

For, it is in Spirituality the same as in mundane life: Clear directions will normally lead you to a good result. Unclear ones normally make you end up in a mess. But if the mess is a spiritual one, who will rearrange it?
ZiShu, it could have been Gabriel. My mother saw Michael, and she said he was as tall as a lamp post and as beautiful as any man she ever saw.
My granny (long dead) saw the devil like he looked when he was an angel. She said he had curly black hair and beautiful blue eyes. I can imagine that he was the most beautiful of them all.
O my word! What happened to you is nothing but a miracle! I would love to know what happened at your friend's house. Where was he in all of this?
If he saw this, why is he still a atheist?
God bless you.
This is a lovely experience you had! I had a couple of dreams where Jesus came to visit me, but strangely I can't remember his face either! I believe Jesus realy came to visit you!
I believe that the troubled feelings you had about if God realy exist, was the Holy Spirit speaking to your subconcience. You are so lucky, not everyone experience what you have.
I believe that strange things sometimes happen, that we can not explain.
As for the lights and street lamps, this happened to me too in the past, don't know if it had a rational explanation though. Sounds like the bright light you saw could have been an angel, or another entity.
The time on the clock is very weird...
I think the eagle could have been a sign yes.
In the Bible the eagale is mentioned more than once.
Only today I read an interresting article about eagles.
When it rains, most birds head for shelter, but the eagle is the only bird that, in order to avoid the rain, starts flying above the clouds.
- No wonder God wants us to spread our wings and soar with eagles!
Hello NaturalScience!

Wow, now I have a lot of inner questioning to do! Before I write you back I will need to absorb all that you wrote and reflect upon it adequately. When I receive this inner guidance I just write it down quickly as it comes to me. Kind of hard to explain, but the words start to flow from my head and I need to grab a pen and paper to write it down. James had told me to go with the flow of the guidance I received from this inner voice. So I will sit down again when I have a moment (the kids are home today so the house is kind of chaotic at the moment LOL!) and get back to you. But, then again, these are MY interpretations... What it to one is not always to the other...

Talk to you soon,
Kathleen
Foundations in Finding God
Bonjour David!

Tu parles tres bien on francais! Ne lachez pas!

Thanks for writing back. I had looked up on google what that expression meant... So I knew before hand that it was a pilot's expression. I think I might have a clue about the vision. It came to me this morning actually. The other night I had been talking with Jesus about how I want to be healthy again. To be the athlete that I used to be. I was once a long distance runner and trained every day. That was long ago before I had a family, and now I am not so healthy... Almost having blackouts recently. I even had to permit myself to take a nap last week during the day because of the shakes I was experiencing. Thank goodness my EGO did not step in and say "How dare you be lazy and relax" LOL! Anyhow, I told him that I should go out and buy a new pair of running shoes- do something for me to get back on track and to love myself again. The room started to glow at that moment and for about 10 minutes he cleansed me (I think that was what he was doing). So maybe the vision means that by running down the path from now on my whole world will change and turn around? Sounds quite logical to me! Take time to love and to nurture yourself then you can love others all the more...

Have a wonderful day,
Kathleen
Qoutation:
"The ego judges.
The ego demeans.
The ego takes over thoughts of neutrality
Making one's thoughts turn into those of judgement.
The ego cannot see the light,
It searches for dark,
Keeping a veil between truth and forgiveness.
The ego stems from thoughts of negativity and branches outwards from that point
Into a spiral of self denial and submission."

Hi Kathleen,

Let us analyze the definition above as to its usability.

"The ego judges."
If judgment is here meant as the thought that a person is worth nothing, this sentence is true.
But there is another meaning of the word "judging" which is much more important in daily life than the first named. I mean, to discriminate whether an attitude uttered by another or shown by oneself is OK or not, or if something said by another person is believable or not.
This judging, better call it "Discrimination of Spirits", must NOT be abolished by any true spiritual way, but should rather get sharpened.

Thus: don't call persons evil, but do not shrink from calling attitudes or deeds evil if they are!

"The ego demeans." I don't know the meaning of "to demean". So I got to leave a gap here.

"The ego takes over thoughts of neutrality
Making one's thoughts turn into those of judgement."

I now describe a common situation. You get up in the morning and make coffee for you and your guy, being careful to make it well. He takes a sip and the first thing he says is "it is too strong, don't you know I got that stomach ache?" thus reproaching you of making his ailment worse.
I would answer then "If I had made it too thin this would surely be no better. It's rather difficult to do things in a way that satisfies you, man."
Would this be "an Ego answer" or not?
From your sentence I can't say if yes or no.

"Thoughts of neutrality" could be, in this situation. Only things like "why is he in that bad temper again?"
But I - and I am not a very unusual person - rather think, if reproached in such a way, "why can't I even manage to do such a simple thing as coffee making well enough?"
Is this also a thought of neutrality - or not?

(this 2nd sentence already is hard to use in daily life. How difficult it is to usably define Ego!)

NB I don't automatically stamp others with words as "you got a bad temper" -
I learnt this "method of self defense" during last years, in situations as this one above,
Because whenever I told my guy in these situations what I really thought, like
"how come that you think me unable to even make a good coffee - every Illiterate can do this, so do you really think me who has done University so inept that I cannot?"
He scolded or taunted at me instead of giving a reasonable answer.

"the ego cannot see the light but searches for dark."

We very often can't see light, this is not our fault. Let us leave this out of analysis.
(well, there is many people who scold others because they are sad at the moment and thus can 't see the light... They tell 'em "gotta think more positive" - as if those people COULD think more positive, which most of the time is not the case. Such reactions of surroundings to sadness lead only to hypocrisy, and they make the sadness worse... Criticizing people for being sad is never spiritual!)

There also is a kind of "searching for dark" which stems from cautiousness, one tries to find out about the possible risks of an action, or in a situation.

If every kind of "searching for dark", also the cautious kind, were "ego", cautiousness would be forbidden for spiritual persons. This can't be true. It would mean "spirituality leads to stupidity".

Let us use the coffee example again.
When you made the coffee you have been cautious not to take too LITTLE coffee-powder,
For if you make too thin a coffee for the guy you love he could think and say "ain't I worth you a proper coffee, why do you serve me this brown water?" and he would be right with it!
And now he says it was too MUCH coffee-powder!
Thus the very fact that you were cautious not to make the coffee too thin led you into a trap of reproach, see above -
Although you did the coffee exatly this way for love of your man, or at least for the obvious duty of not giving "colored water" to your man...
Now, was it Ego that you were cautious not to make the coffee too thin? Was your man's reproach, thus, a punishment for having Ego?
Or is it Ego that the reproach of harming your man 's stomach gives a pain to your heart?
Or would it in such a situation be egoless and the optimum way of acting to - make just a colored water for such a miserably ill-humoured Kerl (loool) ?
I think all this is not the case.

Thus, cautiousness can't be meant with "Searching the Dark"... What then is meant with it?

Last sentence contains something absolutely new to me and if it is true it would turn my image of what is Ego upside down.

You put
"self denial and submission"
Into the Ego frame.
The established religions, however, USE and ADVOCATE self denial and submission to ABOLISH Ego
- or at least they affirm that their strange love of self-denial and submission has this reason and not the opposite (loool).
This is something YOU gotta explain.
Let's go on again when you did.
Onawingandaprayer in My Terrible Oppression
KnifeGuy

Ah okay... I see what your saying

"Keep The Blue-side Up"

David
Onawingandaprayer in Finding God
Hi Kathleen

"...keep the blue side up..."

This is an old expression from my airforce days, simply meaning keep the blue side (sky) upwards and you won't go wrong. ALong the lines of "...if the houses are getting bigger... Pull up!"

Mind you I can see your point as well, I will have to think about that one. I have experienced something very similar but taken from the viewpoint of an eagle soaring high above the Himilayas, that one comes back quite frequently, quite pleasant to be honest.

As for your vision, "walk" us through the context of your vision, you may find the answer while you are relating the story to the masses, just a thought...

"...marcher sur le bleu du côté de mon ami..."

David

PS HIgh school french was a long time ago, sorry!
wow, reading your experience really made me cry. Thank you.
Foundations in Finding God
Hello David,

I couldn't help but notice that you have been ending your comments with the expression "keep the blue side up" which immediately struck a chord in me. I had a vision a few days ago while sitting in silence with my eyes closed conversing with God. In my vision I was walking as I usually do, along a multicolored path with a light shining at the end (I never reach the light no matter how long I walk though...). However, this time the vision was very different. As I was walking, suddenly the world turned upside down and I was now walking on the sky. I do not know what this means, or how to interpret it. Maybe you have some insight?

Kathleen
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
good Anne don't let the get you down in the dumps! That's what thry want to do! I'm sorry to hear about what happened to you: (but it was all for a greater purpose it seems and I'm glad that you saw it that way. Keep your head up.
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
And Anne ill read the books but I already know the extent of their power and the way they try to manipulate us and influence our decisions with tempts and whispering "sweet nothings" in our ear and conscience and it does destroy soooo many people:/ I have many people in my family who are so lost and think all kinds of drugs and alcohol will cure their problems and now there so deep in they can't get out too easily and don't listen to anyone but themselves. Angels and Demons ARE real and they fight for everyone everyday and they try HARD to influence us (Demons mostly) just pray to God to give his Angels strength and itll be a big help.
Realize the Power of Prayer (it helps more than most think)
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
Anne I watched it all go down (Revelation, The War between The Forces of Light and The Forces of Darkness) and it won't be pretty: (I have no idea at all why I was shown these things but I was. I have a conviction almost to the point of certainty itll be in my lifetime and I feel like ill be in The War fighting for the light (because in what I saw, we will be involved and itll be very bloody and much death) I'm not trying to scare anyone with this and sorry if I do but I have to tell people and get their veiws on it cause I can't talk to many people in my family about this because they have not experienced the spiritual world the way I have and because of me trying to tell them my own dad thinks I'm halfway crazy now when I know I'm not. My whole life I have felt like a warrior and I was meant to do something great and I have always had this underlying sense of the spiritual world and I have been seeing Demons/Ghosts/Spirits whatever you want to call them my whole life since I was very young and apparantly according to my mother even since before I can remember. I have always felt close to any weapon I pick up, like its a part of me ESPECIALLY swords, knives etc. And now I know why I have always felt like a warrior and I feel. Its because I'm to participate in this war (and I hope I do cause I want to fight with Jesus and fight the good fight:) ) but I saw The End or The Tribulation and the deceitfulness that will be used in it and the trickery and plots and the people that succumb will be so numerous: (but they know no better and if they do and get The Mark, which I think will be some sort of microchip with all our life data and all about us on it, then they are foolish beyond measure. The War will be a very big battle and our guns WILL fail us to where we have to go back to our old roots of swords etc. The Children of Light will battle against the Children of the Darkness and sorry to say it yall there will be many many Children of the Darkness because they are too of this world and love all its evil too much. But the Light will win but not without much struggle and against terrible odds in terms of numbers go. I feel many people are starting to wake up to the world and choose their side and I just hope and pray that they choose wisely and know the consequence if they choose the wrong side (not trying to say all people will burn who don't convert blazeh blazeh cause I'm not like that, what everyone does is between THEM AND GOD, I will not judge anyone for I am no judge)
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
i just wasn't trying to have you look at it in a wrong way is all cause I'm not here to try to offend anyone at all cause that's not what I'm trying to do you didn miss anything I'm just saying it cause I'm not trying to offend you is all. And the second part is just me goin on about The End, Revelation, The War etc.
Hello NaturalScience,

You asked for a definition of ego... I think that David has provided us with a wonderful analysis of what the ego is. I did however ask within for the answer, and this is what I heard "The ego judges. The ego demeans. The ego takes over thoughts of neutrality making one's thoughts turn into those of judgement. The ego cannot see the light, it searches for dark, keeping a veil between truth and forgiveness. The ego stems from thoughts of negativity and branches outwards from that point into a spiral of self denial and submission."

I hope that this helps, and please feel free to comment! I love reading your input!

Kathleen
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
NaturalScience

I see and love your viewpoint as well, be not afriad to feel good about yourself, be not afraid to think a little extra cash would help out when you are down, remember the universe will always provide!

I am sure there are some who visit here regularily who can give a better accounting of the ego than we have done, however in the end it is our individual interpretation of what it is that really counts.

A mutual friend in heaven would be proud...

David M.
Thank you Onawingandaprayer. You helped me much. See, your definition is very different from what I heard or read from others, and yours is usable while the other ones definitely were not.
I now tell you and the public what I mean, to help others eliminate similar errors.
For a long time I have been living according to rules like "you must not say or think anything good of yourself for this could be seen by God as haughtiness and this is a sin" and "the Saints all thought of themselves that they were sinners of worst category, thus a Christian should think as badly of him/herself too." Those wrong ideas ware part of the Catholic thought pattern of last centuries, that's how I adopted them. I followed them for love of God and faith in that Church to know right from wrong.

But I had to experience that those ideas lead to a grossly wrong self-image which takes away not only the adequate courage for daily life but even the adequate orientation about what is right and what is wrong. With such a self-image one cannot act rightly!

To say it clearly, the Saints must have had a better and more adequate image of themselves than what is told about it by the Church; if they really had had such wrong ideas as told before, they would have gone mad or committed suicide. Probably they said such I-am-a-sinner things only to show to the official Church that they were no "heretics"...

See, and this bad self-image is what I thought to be the opposite of "ego".

Others say that all things of wich we think "I am that" and all things of which we think "I need that" or "I cannot live with that" are Ego and are to be eliminated to see the Truth. But this would mean exactly what I said about egolessness before: that it would be possible as a constant state in Heaven only, and that it could be experienced before death in absolutely exceptional states of mind (deep trance states) only. This ego definition leads to a morbid inner self-annihilation, not to a good life.

Back to your definition. You call the impulses of self-protection, fear and anger, "ego" and thus you probably think one should neglect them. I rather think one should defend oneself, but not in the way of hating and pursuing persons but by reasonably trying to eliminate error i.e. By discussion. If God made me, He made also the "buttons of alarm" which we know as fear and anger. Jesus knew fear, even to the point of sweating blood, as you know. He also knew anger, even to the point of rage; when He saw the traders in the Temple He took a rope, made it into a whip and chased them out, shouting "You are making a robber's hole out of the House of Prayer!"

Thus even your definition may not hit the exact mark. Perhaps the difference between someone having "too much Ego" and someone whose Ego has submitted itself to the leadership of God is whether he or she wishes for everybody the same happiness which he or she wishes for him/herself. I.e. Those who show Envy, still are misled by Ego. Someone who hates another one just because this other person has won in lottery surely is on the wrong path.
But it is not Ego of you to think "I could use more money too" at hearing "this other one has won in lottery" if your money is tight - it is just common sense.
The same it is with reproaches. I was taught to believe the reproaches against me, at first hand, and to show by good actions that they are wrong, afterwards. This was called self-betterment. If I defended meself against reproaches I was called "obstinate".
But if one is taught good from bad this way, one comes to believe a whole bunch of wrong reproaches,
and - even worse -
One comes to expect that the world is there to see that one is bettering oneself and to confirm it.
And this is is an absolutely wrong expectation; the others got their own cares and issues, and most of the time don't even see one is striving to become abetter person, and thus of course they won't confirm any success in this respect.
But people will keep saying reproachful things to you, most of the time without real meaning, only to let out a negative mood or for other low reasons - many people, as you know, hardly ever talk reasonably, the guy who called you a Christian pig surely was of this kind.
Consequently if one keeps with this belief, one ends up in thinking that the strive for self-betterment has not succeeded and that everything is lost!

This is why I insisted on a correct Ego definition.

For if one uses a wrong definition of this part of human nature, or a wrong way of avoiding "egoful" actions, the whole right-from-wrong pattern gets distorted.
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
NaturalScience

"...Define Ego..."

Wow, now that is a tall order, kind of like saying "Show me God" well maybe not that significant but I think you see me point.

I cannot say what ego is or even define it, yet I will try.

To me ego is that voice within that tries to protect us from "the big, bad world" around us. It yells at us to react when we have been slighted, when someone has dissed us for some reason or achieves a higher socila standing than us.

So we must tear down that individual, lash out in anger at the one who slighted us or put up a stone wall against another who has disimilar beliefs than ourselves, where I live this is apart of life!

So all I can say is that I choose not to let that inner feeling take hold, now-a-days a find myself showing feelings of happiness for the guy who just won millions in the lottery instead of envy. I can see the pity in the guy who calls me a christian pig. I can see the pain in the face of one who has to brags about all he owns or what his social position is in life (by the way social standing is very important to the Middle Eastern culture).

Instead of reacting with fear (fear of God is a big one, fear of Death probably next), reacting with anger, I know within that these are actions my ego would like me to do or have. Sorry it does not rule me, instead I just smile and say "no"

When you look at life from an expanded awareness the sensation and actions of the ego become secondary, become muted and sublime. The sensations and awareness of the Holy Spirit are a much more powerful and honest force within you (and this is from personal experience, not what a friend read in his books).

Now is it wrong to love ones self, absolutly not, that is the basis of "brotherly love" for how can you love another without first loving yourself.

When you strut around the town shouting "look at me and see how great and magnificent I am" now that is being a little egotistical.

The whole point is that you know within yourself how wonderful a person you are, your "ego" will say your are not worthy yet in reality you are created by God so how can you judge yourself as being unworthy when only God would create such a beautiful entity.

Ask yourself the question "what is the meaning of MY CUP RUNNETH OVER..."

It has everything to do with the love we have within and how that is transferred to others. It has nothing to do with egotism or egoism, it is a statement of self and love alone.

The statement "I am that I am" is not about an egotistical saying, it is about an expanded awareness of everything, and no it is not just God that made that statement, try it yourself and see the reaction of your ego, I was quite shocked at the negative reaction to this that came from my brain-box.

"Keep the blue-side up"

Dave
Onawingandaprayer in My Terrible Oppression
knifeguy

Not aure what you were "...knocking me..." about, I guess I missed something along the way.

"...you may have no idea how soon and neither do I for only God knows the time and hour but I have a strong conviction I guess you can say itll be in my lifetime..."

Here again, did I miss something?

Keep The Blue-side Up

Dave M
JAndrew, I am also a KNOWER, I know God exist and I agree with you HOW we must live. I speculated about this very much and came to a conclusion that there can't be anything like reincarnation. God gave us one body, one spirit and one soul. When we die our soul
Goes either to heaven or hell, to be judged by Jesus when he comes again. If you had, let's say, 4 previous lives, but still one spirit and one soul that's been used for all 4 lives - HOW are you going to be judged oneday? I don't know, and I try not to delff too deep in things that I can't explain, but this is just my believe. ❤
I would love to hear about your experiences Knifeguy!
Could you please tell it to us? I read many books about people that Gog gave revelations to and it is amazing! Do your self a favour and read the books by Mary K Baxter. After I read it, I know so much more about the demons and angels - how the demons try to destroy us and how the angels battle with them to keep them away from us. I had a mastectomy at the age of 36 (I'm 37 now) and it was a horrible experience for me. I was always very over my looks, my long blond hair, my nice body etc. Actualy I was a bit vain. I lost all my hair, I lost one of my breasts and it was very traumatic. Those books kept me going, so much that I even was very optimistic and good spirited.
Its the most amazing feeling in the world to know that we belong to something greater and that there's more to life than just this. I feel you on this one as I am a privelged Knower, it just didn happen all as beautifully as yours did but I thank God everyday for it cause it feels good to be Awake to the world
knifeguy6070 in Trying To Astral Project
Like iseeandfeel said be very careful cause not just possession can happen but you never know what will come back with you and try to possess you (opression) but I have done it a few times and have no idea how I did it but it just happened. I have done it purposfully a few times but never did I go far, just in my house because like iseeandfeel said I am NOT giving evil things any opportunities to do something like that. Possession and Opression are very real and trust me I KNOW. Be safe man and happy traveling
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
Not trying to knock you at all onawingandprayer because I like what you put up and not trying to say anything bad about you saying that. I'm simply just saying lol
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
and onawingandprayer you may have no idea how soon and neither do I for only God knows the time and hour but I have a strong conviction I guess you can say itll be in my lifetime, from yhe things I saw, to the fact that many many of the prophecies are coming true and the worlds starting to show its true colors to many people. But your words were very comforting and guiding too and so is everyone elses, I'm just glad I can come on here and tell my story and not be looked upon as crazy when I know I'm not:)
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
And elschofar you are very right. I feel like a whole lot more people are waking up to the world and seeing it for what it TRULY is and not what we were tricked into thinking it is. I hope and pray that many people see as I have seen that this world is not our true home and that its the closest thing to Hell us Children Of Light will ever see. I have left Babylon far behind me and I don't ever want to go back so I will do all I can to stay on the path to life:) thank you for your guiding words:)
knifeguy6070 in My Terrible Oppression
TreeToucher and Anne yall are both very right! I have been praying daily and thanking God for all Hes given me and He has truly helped me in my life since then. I know what I had happen to me is not something most people would want to happen but in a sense I'm glad it happened cause it brought me back to God and to The Light:)) Now I have a very very real sense of what goes on daily around people and a very real sense of the spiritual world now (to the point of eerieness sometimes, but I know God and The Spirit are with me so I fear no evil and never will) and I know my side and can't be swayed. The Holy Spirit haa been very good to me and I truly feel I am special too. My whole life I have felt as if I was meant for something greater and now I know what it is:) I thank God everyday for helping me and I pray everyday He gives his Angels strength and for dicernment of the voices as well (which have become much less, I came across a vile nasty man who was a "trickster" I call em cameleons but needless to say he had many forces working around him who were not good at all and I could tell by there little whispers) but God has helped me through that too, I am truly eternally grateful to Him for what he has done and the gifts he gave me:) if anyone wants to get into a discussion about spiritual gifts and the things I saw in my journey with the holy spirit ill gladly get into it cause I love talkin about this stuff. But thank you all for helping me out on this, sorry it took so long to get back:/
Knifeguy, read these 2 books of Mary K Baxter
'A devine revelation of the Spirit Realm' and
'A devine revelation of Angels'.
It helped met through the darkest time in my life!
It will change your perspectives completely.
Wow! I had this exact dream last night. To the detail of arms opened as if it was going to get me. It woke me and I heard myself wimpering and made myself wake all the way up so I would not slip back into this dream.

I turned and saw an average height figure standing next to my bed. It was dressed as if in a black grim reaper costume complete with a hood over its head and wearing black gloves. It seemed to be saying to me, "is this what you wanted to see?" as it spread its hands horizontally.
I have begun having these types of episoded for the past couple of months now and never had them in my life. It is making me afraid to go to sleep at night.
What is going on? I am a very healthy person, exercise, eat a vegan diet... Sooooo what the heck? This is out of the blue and it is freaking me out. 😢
Dear Natural Science, I have always had this intuition that one science would unfoundely prove God's existence. I suggest some combined reading for cross referencing and to make the experience more meaningful: Gematria (Biblical Mathematics), Prophetic Art (michael Angelo being an antomist reportedly discovered by a neuroscientist), Holy Spirt teachings (just google there's tons of stuff let your intuition guide you) and most importantly THE BIBLE as a scientifically coded journal of Man's creation and God's divinity!
I have a question: how is it that when scientists tried to find the smallest particle in existence they almost destroyed the world with the A-bomb?
Maybe 2 questions: how is it we believe in 1s and 0s and wireless signals yet we deny God as real- Now if GOD is real There must exist meassages from GOd to Man - The Bible needs to be read on a daily basis and all the question you have will suddenly start receiving answers. God must have an amazing plan for you but He is waiting for you to invite Him into your life. God bless, enjoy the rerading.
Dear bailey,
I read that you are reading the bible and walking closer to God- please beware of the need to find your "spirit guides" WE DO NOT NEED any mediators God has given man the ability to converse directly with HIm when we put into practice His Divine Principles of living in Love which breeds forgiveness. When we realize our body is a temple and the Holy Spirt may dewll in us, we begin to take better care of ourselves because it is in us to be better beings.
Anyone who has opened doors to the occult needs to be renounce in prayer all past activities and anul any rights the kingdom of darkness may think it has on your soul or your wife's.
The BIBLE is our GIFT from GOD through divine revelation of how to Be with GOD and recognize what messages are from God and which are not.
elschofar in Realization Of God
I concur that your conversations are for your edification in the Holy Spirt. God wants us all to get to know Him as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is teh Spirit that teaches us to be humble, to listen and learn. Your essential message is about sharing Love that is how we know it is of the Spirit. When the voices are from the darkness it brings conflict, treachery, lies, false promises. As long as your messages to not case disruption in your life but rather it enhances your relationships, friendships, work is better, you are a better person for it- It is of our Almighty Father. God is Omnipotent- All powerful, Omnipresent- All present, Omniscient- All Knowing. His conversations with us are meant to edify our existence so we inturn can be a better creation before our fellow man.
elschofar in Portals
dear Rashidah, Frankllin was very clear and objective in his replies, I support his comments and wish to add some of what I have learned walking in the Holy Spirit: God is awakening His children of faith from all around the world. Argentina, Peru, Bolivia, on the African Continent, throughout the world.
Church leaders became radical in the bad sense and preached religiousity to people instread of teaching people they could become very quiet, enter into profound prayer and converse with our Holy Creator- this is the truth that you stumbled into with your faith. When we are of God, Nothing can stand against us!, Nothing. In TNT the Charismatic Catholics have a lot of expeerience in these matters you can check into them, also many evangelical churces are being awakened to PRAYER< FASTING AND WORSHIP- true heartfelt profound LOVE for GOD. Do not be afraid, speak to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to Teach and guide You to the place God wants you to grow in His Love and God will guide you! God bless!
Dear Jacob, you need to seek a pentecostal type church or a church with a lot of experiences in the Holy Spirit. The Lord is awakening His children of faith from around the world and reuniting the Body of Christ. You can ask the Holy Spirit to show you where to look or what to do. TIP: to discern the voices of darkness from the Voice of God- you will see by the results and love and peace that always accompanies the Holy Spirit. Do not be araid- When God is with us, nothing and no one can get to us. The tricks and lies of darkness is to seduce your carnal impluses so I recommend lots of Reading and fininding the company of other people who walk in the Holy Spirit.
God Bless. Be wary of trickster and false prophets ASK GOD TO reveal to you and HE will- Just Give in to GOD and His processes will become clearer to u. Be safe and wise in the Love of Jesus Christ may His powerful Blood keep you safe always. Amen.
Perhaps, Onawingandaprayer, it is just a problem of definition of "ego".

If one defines ego as all kinds of feelings of "I am right" or "I am good" or puts even the feeling of a personal identity into the frame of Ego, i.e. If the definition reads "either you are in the Ego realm or you are like a nothing-and-nobody existence" -then my warning against the strive for Egolessness is correct, see?

I've been seeking a CORRECT i.e. USABLE definition of Ego for more than twenty years, unsuccessfully. That's why I came to reject the "Ego issue" as a sham issue, product of ideological misconstructions.

All definitions of Ego I found by now make one doubt one's own purity whenever one dares think something good of oneself.

But how can one distinguish good from bad if one is not allowed to see and admit "I am good now" or "I have done something good now",
And what will motivate you to do good if it is forbidden to you to be to any extent proud of the good you have done, forbidden to be happy about yourself having been good?

Some even define Ego as "all that you are" and this would mean you can be spiritually pure and OK, i.e. Egoless, only when dead.

This surely is not the right definition of Ego. But the more moderate definitions too lack usability, and easily become a tool of self-sabotage, of self-deprecation. And this shows they too must be somewhat incorrect. Spirituality must help one in real life, and where it does the opposite, something's wrong.

So tell me, and us all, what is the delusional Ego, and what is the Real Self which we must cherish and about which we are allowed to be happy?
Onawingandaprayer in My Terrible Oppression
Hello knifeguy

Not sure if this belongs here or somewhere else, but I have just typed a bunch of sayings that have come to my head and reading of your past troubles it kind of made sense to post this here.

Anyway here it is:

Thought For the day

Every now and then
Life throws us a curve
And no matter how we try to cope
It seems we just fall deeper into our depressed state
Never realizing that the path to clarity is truly at hand
Each day we ask "why me" or "how come..."

Yet if we stop and think about things
Often the answers become very clear
Up until now we just look skyward for the truth

And yet the truth is not found by looking there
Remember to look within for the truth to behold
Each time you do, the answer will bring a little light to your day

Look to the voice within, see that which is truly you
Open your heart to the world around you
Verily verily, one man said meaning the truth comes forth
Each time you search for the truth within, it will be there
Deny yourself no longer, see the darkness no longer

May the skies appear blue and clear when all around
You there are those who challenge you with their inner darkness

Come forth from your gloom and see the wonders of yourselves
Have faith that the darkness of your day is but in your thoughts 
I have not made you to feel true pain, when none is put forth
Live every day as a symbol of my love for you all
Do not despair when life SEEMS to be gloomy

Yearn not for the comfort of those who have passed
Open your heart and shower their memory with love
Under a rainbow of golden love are they now
Rejoice, in their passing to me

Fear not for yourself
Always show others WHO YOU ARE
Take the time to nurture your Rose within my Garden
Have faith that I am always here
Enjoy giving nothing but love to your fellow man
Receive the gift of love openly and unconditionally

I AM THAT I AM
NOW AND FOREVER MORE

Hear these words within your hearts
Each and every day
Always be the Love and Light to your fellow man
Very soon all will be as it should
And the world will know the glory of My Son once again
Now and Forever

Amen
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
Natural Science

I was going to add more than I did on my last comment, but I decided I had better just calm down a bit and let it rest for 24 hours.

I have to wonder about the statement that people who are not governed by their egos are nothing on earth and merely slaves to others if they don't have a strong ego.

Could you please enlighten me as to the difference between having a strong ego and being very much AWARE of who one is in the universe.

It seems to me that any individual whom is an awakened soul, begins to have feelings of superiority at first. When those feelings wear off and one begins to relaize what is within themselves (God, Holy Spirit, etc.), it readily becomes apparent that they are more than the ego says they are and that they are capable of many things here on earth.

A friend showed me there is no such thing as evil, except what we show in our hearts and minds. Once I figured that out for myself I no longer feel offended by the words of another, the actions of another, that person can be whatever or whoever they want and I really don't mind at all, bless them all the more for being who they think they are.

Perhaps I have missed the whole theme of the conversation, but to say we are usleless and weak without a strong ego shows a lack of awareness of the greater universal truths.

I have learned a lot in a short period about our roles in the universe and about expanding my awareness, perhaps it was the teacher, perhaps it was always within me, but I know that what once would have sent me over the edge as it were, because my brain felt I had been slighted, now I see nothing but the joy that is life and my ego can't do a damn thing about it.

I have to remember to thank my teacher when the day comes and we are re-united.

Keep The Blue Side Up

Dave Muldoon
Onawingandaprayer in Memories Of Multicolored Light
"...Without an Ego one can sing Hallelujah in Heaven but do nothing useful on Earth. A human being completely devoid of an Ego but living on Earth as it is to-day would become only a weak-willed groupie or slave of the first strong-willed Ego, human or even demoniacal, meeting with him/ her..."

Hmmm...interesting comment

Dave
JAndrew you are absolutely correct as to the categories of spiritual learnedness (non-believers i.e. Spiritually blind or "illiterate" humans at the lower end and "knowers" at the upper end of the scale) - and I can tell you the number of Knowers is rapidly increasing. There never have been so many Initiates, this is an older word for them, as today. Most of them, I suppose, won't be found to be member of churches... These institutions are schools for lower stages of development... But you will find many among Buddhist Westerners, the Buddhist system of meditation and discipline being rather effective. On the other hand you will find more of them than expected among "punks", "drunks", "drug addicts", for God loves to "write straight upon crooked lines", and why else could Man have discovered all those mind-altering substances ("drugs") than for getting some glimpses of the Beyond as a fuel for Life down here?

Good luck!
I too am scientifically educated. This ist not at all a contradiction to spirituality. On the contrary, great scientists, as Galvani and Newton, were full of praise and admiration for God, the Genius who made the great things in Nature which they researched on.

As to the image of Multicolored Light for the realm of Eternity, this is already known. Read the book "Engineman" of Eric Brown, a so called Sci fi novel from the 1990s, which in fact is a Buddhist spiritual book. It describes a "continuum", a hyperspace of Eternity, which can seem to its viewer like a clear blue space if perceived incompletely, but rather is a multicolored-light realm as which it is seen correctly in a state of enlightenment.

Your experience while smoking a cig at fifteen also has a background already known. Those "Red Indians" who have organized in N.A.C. (Native American Church) know well why they smoke tobacco whilst praying. Tobacco, if smoked by someone with a rather pure soul who has not yet developed a nicotine habit, can induce an opening of the Heart chakra, an experience of "Oneness with all Things" (this is an expression from the "engineman" book again). I had it too, when smoking a strong cig (but only tobacco in it nothing else!), at thirty-five years, half a year after taking part in a NAC ceremony in Europe...

Thus your path is true and valid. It is even more so as you seemingly don't belong to any sect or church that gives you a fixed dogma and a fixed language for spiritual matters. You belong to those who prove by mere existence that there is a Beyond and a Soul. Don't worry about the "Ego matter"! Be happy that you got a healthily strong Ego! We got Ego for survival and for promoting goals. Without an Ego one can sing Hallelujah in Heaven but do nothing useful on Earth. A human being completely devoid of an Ego but living on Earth as it is to-day would become only a weak-willed groupie or slave of the first strong-willed Ego, human or even demoniacal, meeting with him/ her.

One thing may be important. You think it is of no importance what people think of you. It can very well be of some importance - if they for example put you into the category of being "mental", "crazy", because of you openly confessing to your spirituality. If people don' t take you for serious no more, they won't listen to you no more if you got something important to say to them, i.e. If people think you mental this may make you less useful for the world, thus better keep your heart's path top secret from the ignorant public. Even Jesus shunned the public at the beginning of his 3 year healer / preacher career!

Nb read my "Liberty Dignity Infinity" story here
NaturalScience - I awoke this morning with this passage in my head and I felt right away as though it was from James. It was, "Gorify thy son as the son glorifies the father."
Onawingandaprayer, thank you for telling me James has gone to Heaven now, some weeks ago (or is he still alive on Earth?). I know he will pray for us up there. Also for me. Having read my posts here and James' answers, you know he called me a "glorious one" and this certainly was not a term of politeness nor a trial to tell me what my pride wants to hear... I think he had some overview of my soul's long pilgrimage (thru several incarnations) and saw that I had done a good battle, no matter how confused I was, and still often am, whether I do good or bad... I look forward to the glory James saw in my soul. My present life is not glorious from a human view. God may know better!

I am glad to know James did not tend to literally adopt what books say, even holy Scriptures. My warning against too much faith in the Course of Miracles was more for the people reading my posts than for James himself.

Rest in Peace, James, and have a good time with the animals in Paradise which you saw in your visions. Greet my Grand-Aunt and St Francis of Assisi from me!
Onawingandaprayer in My Spirit Animal
Hi Tim Cuirdas

There are many things in this universe that we as humans cannot even begin to comprehend.

The Holy Trinity is much much more than the Father Son and Holy Ghost and as far as spirit animals go, well that is an individual interpretation of what that person feels and sees.

A good friend of mine had talked about having a Snow Leopard and a Tiger who walked with him. He was absolutely devoted to his belief in God, Jesus, as most of us are, but those animals were a manifestation of the greater spiritual power within him, I beleive. So to outright say someone is wrong for thinking about spirit animals is not being completely fair to that indiviuals beliefs.

The bible is only a "bedrock" for our lives, it is not a "though shalt live by this or else..." guide. God is far more complex than the simple version we read about and how one interprets the Father is up to that individual not you or I.

Besides why can't an animal be our guide, afterall a guide is simply that, a guide, we are the ones who must make the final decision on matters and that comes from within where God and the Holy Spirit live.

I look at this way, if you choose to have a guide of some sorts, then listen, take in the information, swirl it around your insides and guess what, that little voice driven by God, through the Holy Spirit, will give you the answer you have been searching for.

Most of us wouldn't recognize the answers came from God as we are still enjoying our eternal slumber, one day we will awaken and go "wow was that who I think it was who just spoke to me!?!?!?!"

My 2-bits worth for the day, going flying now

Dave
Oh this story is exactly what I needed tonight. It settled my heart. It's so sweet, so loving, so beautiful. It's a beautiful love between mother and daughter.

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